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Anyone building their own kilns? Byrd 04-26-2007
Posted by Byrd on April 26, 2007, 5:55 pm
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I am trying to get started doing some glass and pottery crafting. I am
having to do it on my own and with the aid of some books. I live 150 mi
from the nearest school with any similar art programs and probably couldn't
afford the tuition if it was next store, we're barely affording keeping the
daughter in.

I was interested in a large Bell style kiln but there's no way in hell I can
afford to buy one, unless maybe someone knows of a benefactor with deep
pockets who would take pity on 50 something, gimpy old man (chuckle). Has
anyone built their own and how hard is it?

I have ordered a book by Halem, there is supposed to be some good
information in it.

I need my kiln to be wheelchair friendly and was wanting to have two rolling
tables (also wheelchair accessible) so I could be loading / unloading one
while the other was firing. I was thinking about a convertible kiln, ie; a
3' x 6' x 2' but I had the idea to maybe section it so I could isolate half
of it for smaller firings. and also lower it down a little farther if I
don't need the depth/height.

I was given an 18" old (50's maybe) ceramic kiln that I would like to use
for some glass and pottery as well. It just basically a 3 position switch
which controls the 2 elements. I can't find any info on it. but I was
wondering what was available as far as kiln programmers are available.

I have 3 old dos and win98 machines and was wondering if anyone ever tried
to use a PC as a kiln controller? ...... and what else would be needed.
Are there any resources (websites, books, etc) that tackle this sort of
thing?

Thanks,
Byrd





Posted by Moonraker on April 26, 2007, 8:22 pm
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> I am trying to get started doing some glass and pottery crafting. I am
> having to do it on my own and with the aid of some books. I live 150 mi
> from the nearest school with any similar art programs and probably
couldn't
> afford the tuition if it was next store, we're barely affording keeping
the
> daughter in.
>
> I was interested in a large Bell style kiln but there's no way in hell I
can
> afford to buy one, unless maybe someone knows of a benefactor with deep
> pockets who would take pity on 50 something, gimpy old man (chuckle). Has
> anyone built their own and how hard is it?
>
> I have ordered a book by Halem, there is supposed to be some good
> information in it.
>
> I need my kiln to be wheelchair friendly and was wanting to have two
rolling
> tables (also wheelchair accessible) so I could be loading / unloading one
> while the other was firing. I was thinking about a convertible kiln, ie;
a
> 3' x 6' x 2' but I had the idea to maybe section it so I could isolate
half
> of it for smaller firings. and also lower it down a little farther if I
> don't need the depth/height.
>
> I was given an 18" old (50's maybe) ceramic kiln that I would like to use
> for some glass and pottery as well. It just basically a 3 position switch
> which controls the 2 elements. I can't find any info on it. but I was
> wondering what was available as far as kiln programmers are available.
>
> I have 3 old dos and win98 machines and was wondering if anyone ever tried
> to use a PC as a kiln controller? ...... and what else would be needed.
> Are there any resources (websites, books, etc) that tackle this sort of
> thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Byrd
>
Hey, Byrd...

Might I suggest you surf on over to www.warmglass.com and register there for
the forums? There is a pretty active newbies forum there and more than
6,000 members. You might find someone who lives nearby you and could tutor
you. Unless you have an insane desire to reinvent the wheel, you'll
probably spend as much money and a lot more time in building a kiln as you
would to buy a new one. You can buy controllers (or build your own) to run
the kiln you have now. What brand is it and what are the power requirements
and size (inside)?

While on the warmglass site, order the book by Brad Walker and (if you are
$$ able), order the book by Richard LaLonde. Those two books should get you
started. The LaLonde book has some drawings and plans for some big kilns
that you might adapt.



Posted by nJb on April 26, 2007, 8:29 pm
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Byrd wrote:
> I am trying to get started doing some glass and pottery crafting. I am
> having to do it on my own and with the aid of some books. I live 150 mi
> from the nearest school with any similar art programs and probably couldn't
> afford the tuition if it was next store, we're barely affording keeping the
> daughter in.
>
> I was interested in a large Bell style kiln but there's no way in hell I can
> afford to buy one, unless maybe someone knows of a benefactor with deep
> pockets who would take pity on 50 something, gimpy old man (chuckle). Has
> anyone built their own and how hard is it?
>
> I have ordered a book by Halem, there is supposed to be some good
> information in it.
>
> I need my kiln to be wheelchair friendly and was wanting to have two rolling
> tables (also wheelchair accessible) so I could be loading / unloading one
> while the other was firing. I was thinking about a convertible kiln, ie; a
> 3' x 6' x 2' but I had the idea to maybe section it so I could isolate half
> of it for smaller firings. and also lower it down a little farther if I
> don't need the depth/height.
>
> I was given an 18" old (50's maybe) ceramic kiln that I would like to use
> for some glass and pottery as well. It just basically a 3 position switch
> which controls the 2 elements. I can't find any info on it. but I was
> wondering what was available as far as kiln programmers are available.
>
> I have 3 old dos and win98 machines and was wondering if anyone ever tried
> to use a PC as a kiln controller? ...... and what else would be needed.
> Are there any resources (websites, books, etc) that tackle this sort of
> thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Byrd

A PC is not reliable for controlling a kiln. An industrial grade
temperature controller with ramp/soak functions is what you need. Add a
solid state relay, a thermocouple, a mechanical contactor, and some wire
and you have a good controller. $300.

I built my own 3'x5'x1' bell kiln for $2200 including the controller.

http://tinyurl.com/29bdav

The best website for glass kiln working is www.warmglass.com

Good luck,

Jack

http://www.glasterpiece.com

Posted by m on May 9, 2007, 11:02 am
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> Byrd wrote:
> > I am trying to get started doing some glass and pottery crafting. I am
> > having to do it on my own and with the aid of some books. I live 150 mi
> > from the nearest school with any similar art programs and probably couldn't
> > afford the tuition if it was next store, we're barely affording keeping the
> > daughter in.
>
> > I was interested in a large Bell style kiln but there's no way in hell I can
> > afford to buy one, unless maybe someone knows of a benefactor with deep
> > pockets who would take pity on 50 something, gimpy old man (chuckle). Has
> > anyone built their own and how hard is it?
>
> > I have ordered a book by Halem, there is supposed to be some good
> > information in it.
>
> > I need my kiln to be wheelchair friendly and was wanting to have two rolling
> > tables (also wheelchair accessible) so I could be loading / unloading one
> > while the other was firing. I was thinking about a convertible kiln, ie; a
> > 3' x 6' x 2' but I had the idea to maybe section it so I could isolate half
> > of it for smaller firings. and also lower it down a little farther if I
> > don't need the depth/height.
>
> > I was given an 18" old (50's maybe) ceramic kiln that I would like to use
> > for some glass and pottery as well. It just basically a 3 position switch
> > which controls the 2 elements. I can't find any info on it. but I was
> > wondering what was available as far as kiln programmers are available.
>
> > I have 3 old dos and win98 machines and was wondering if anyone ever tried
> > to use a PC as a kiln controller? ...... and what else would be needed.
> > Are there any resources (websites, books, etc) that tackle this sort of
> > thing?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Byrd
>
> A PC is not reliable for controlling a kiln. An industrial grade
> temperature controller with ramp/soak functions is what you need. Add a
> solid state relay, a thermocouple, a mechanical contactor, and some wire
> and you have a good controller. $300.
>
> I built my own 3'x5'x1' bell kiln for $2200 including the controller.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/29bdav
>
> The best website for glass kiln working iswww.warmglass.com
>

nJB, what you really mean is that a computer is incomplete. It's
perfectly suitable for controlling temperature change over time. You
just need the ancillary hardware you mention and some software. Which
is exactly what you get when you buy an off the shelf kiln computer.

Jack, I built my own electric kiln. Very different from what you're
interested in, but doubtless you'll still find some usefull
information. I diarized the entire project here:
http://www.m2crafts.ca/kiln.html
As for controlling it. I power pairs of serial wired elements with
infinite switches similar to electric range switches. The switches
have stops at seven intervals. I wrote myself a very simple computer
program that allows me to enter the current temperature of the kiln
and plots the change against a desired curve. It allows me to know
how/when to change the power to the elements. Since I'm unwilling to
leave the kiln alone for an entire firing I don't see the point in
having the computer do more than that.

Best regards,

Mark.


Posted by Mike Firth on May 9, 2007, 1:28 pm
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Well, Mark, while I understand your desire to keep an eye on the kiln, if
you are doing anything moderately thick, it must be really boring and
interupting to your life to change the settings for annealling, that is
where most of the automation efforts in kiln or annealler activity have
gone, especially since, once you get over about 3/4 inch annealing takes
more than overnight.
Mike

--
Mike Firth
Furnace Glassblowing Website
http://users.ticnet.com/mikefirth/
>> Byrd wrote:
>> > I am trying to get started doing some glass and pottery crafting. I am
>> > having to do it on my own and with the aid of some books. I live 150
>> > mi
>> > from the nearest school with any similar art programs and probably
>> > couldn't
>> > afford the tuition if it was next store, we're barely affording keeping
>> > the
>> > daughter in.
>>
>> > I was interested in a large Bell style kiln but there's no way in hell
>> > I can
>> > afford to buy one, unless maybe someone knows of a benefactor with deep
>> > pockets who would take pity on 50 something, gimpy old man (chuckle).
>> > Has
>> > anyone built their own and how hard is it?
>>
>> > I have ordered a book by Halem, there is supposed to be some good
>> > information in it.
>>
>> > I need my kiln to be wheelchair friendly and was wanting to have two
>> > rolling
>> > tables (also wheelchair accessible) so I could be loading / unloading
>> > one
>> > while the other was firing. I was thinking about a convertible kiln,
>> > ie; a
>> > 3' x 6' x 2' but I had the idea to maybe section it so I could isolate
>> > half
>> > of it for smaller firings. and also lower it down a little farther if I
>> > don't need the depth/height.
>>
>> > I was given an 18" old (50's maybe) ceramic kiln that I would like to
>> > use
>> > for some glass and pottery as well. It just basically a 3 position
>> > switch
>> > which controls the 2 elements. I can't find any info on it. but I was
>> > wondering what was available as far as kiln programmers are available.
>>
>> > I have 3 old dos and win98 machines and was wondering if anyone ever
>> > tried
>> > to use a PC as a kiln controller? ...... and what else would be
>> > needed.
>> > Are there any resources (websites, books, etc) that tackle this sort of
>> > thing?
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Byrd
>>
>> A PC is not reliable for controlling a kiln. An industrial grade
>> temperature controller with ramp/soak functions is what you need. Add a
>> solid state relay, a thermocouple, a mechanical contactor, and some wire
>> and you have a good controller. $300.
>>
>> I built my own 3'x5'x1' bell kiln for $2200 including the controller.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/29bdav
>>
>> The best website for glass kiln working iswww.warmglass.com
>>
>
> nJB, what you really mean is that a computer is incomplete. It's
> perfectly suitable for controlling temperature change over time. You
> just need the ancillary hardware you mention and some software. Which
> is exactly what you get when you buy an off the shelf kiln computer.
>
> Jack, I built my own electric kiln. Very different from what you're
> interested in, but doubtless you'll still find some usefull
> information. I diarized the entire project here:
> http://www.m2crafts.ca/kiln.html
> As for controlling it. I power pairs of serial wired elements with
> infinite switches similar to electric range switches. The switches
> have stops at seven intervals. I wrote myself a very simple computer
> program that allows me to enter the current temperature of the kiln
> and plots the change against a desired curve. It allows me to know
> how/when to change the power to the elements. Since I'm unwilling to
> leave the kiln alone for an entire firing I don't see the point in
> having the computer do more than that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark.
>



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