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Looking for spear making info Prometheus 11-02-2007
Posted by Prometheus on November 2, 2007, 6:33 am
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Hello all,

I don't have much use for a spear myself, but I did get a request for
one today from one of my co-worker's fathers. Evidently, his hobby is
hunting wild boar with dogs and a spear- not my cup of tea, but if
he's into that, I'm not going to be the one to tell him no.

He must have done this in the past, at least once, as he evidently
lost his trusty boar-hunting spear on a recent expidition, and now
he's looking for a replacement.

Seems like a blacksmithing job to me, if there ever was one- and I've
got a couple of bars of 1095 steel that will work nicely.

But here's my dilemma- as I'm not a spear-chucking boar hunter, I have
no idea what kind of dimensions a spearhead like that might need to
have. I know a boar's hide is tough, and I also know that they're not
very easy to kill even with a gun. So, I'm wondering if anyone on
here has any knowledge about the situation, so that I can make this
thing for the guy.

If it was just for show, it wouldn't be an issue, as it'd just have to
look nice- but I hate to imagine the guy sticking a 700 pound hog and
only wounding it- not only is it a little less humane than I'd prefer
to be turning an animal into a pin cushion while dogs are pinning it
down, but it could be dangerous for the hunter if the thing got loose
after he pissed it off by giving it a poke or two with an inadequate
weapon.

My gut feeling is that I should make it pretty thick, to reduce the
chance of breaking or bending, and reasonably slender, to make it
easier to drive in. I don't know if I'm going to forge it or grind it
from the bar stock, but the forge will come into play during heat
treating, at the very least.

Anyone have any particular knowledge on the subject they'd be willing
to share, maybe a sketch or two with some rough dimensions on it?

Posted by Trevor Jones on November 2, 2007, 8:38 am
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Prometheus wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I don't have much use for a spear myself, but I did get a request for
> one today from one of my co-worker's fathers. Evidently, his hobby is
> hunting wild boar with dogs and a spear- not my cup of tea, but if
> he's into that, I'm not going to be the one to tell him no.
>
> He must have done this in the past, at least once, as he evidently
> lost his trusty boar-hunting spear on a recent expidition, and now
> he's looking for a replacement.
>
> Seems like a blacksmithing job to me, if there ever was one- and I've
> got a couple of bars of 1095 steel that will work nicely.
>
> But here's my dilemma- as I'm not a spear-chucking boar hunter, I have
> no idea what kind of dimensions a spearhead like that might need to
> have. I know a boar's hide is tough, and I also know that they're not
> very easy to kill even with a gun. So, I'm wondering if anyone on
> here has any knowledge about the situation, so that I can make this
> thing for the guy.
>
> If it was just for show, it wouldn't be an issue, as it'd just have to
> look nice- but I hate to imagine the guy sticking a 700 pound hog and
> only wounding it- not only is it a little less humane than I'd prefer
> to be turning an animal into a pin cushion while dogs are pinning it
> down, but it could be dangerous for the hunter if the thing got loose
> after he pissed it off by giving it a poke or two with an inadequate
> weapon.
>
> My gut feeling is that I should make it pretty thick, to reduce the
> chance of breaking or bending, and reasonably slender, to make it
> easier to drive in. I don't know if I'm going to forge it or grind it
> from the bar stock, but the forge will come into play during heat
> treating, at the very least.
>
> Anyone have any particular knowledge on the subject they'd be willing
> to share, maybe a sketch or two with some rough dimensions on it?

Find a kids book on medival weapons.

Look for a picture of one of the spears that has a blade that looks
more like a short sword, with a crossbar, to prevent the VERY annoyed
boar from getting closer.

Or get the customer to give you his input into what works or does not.
(the way I would go)

IIRC the spear as decribed above, was the weapon used in Europe for
hunting boar. It may, or may not, meet the needs of the client.

I know that there are outfitters that book hunts, where they will
provide the dogs, and, if you do not have one, an appropriate knife.

No guns. No spears.

Up close and personal, wading into the fray, with a critter that can
rip you quite to shreds. :-)

Not my cup O' meat, but... could be a pretty good TV sport. If you
could get a cameraman that could keep up, running behind the dogs. :-)

Google for "Boar Spear"

Cheers
Trevor Jones


Posted by Gary Pewitt on November 2, 2007, 7:36 pm
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The method used in hunting boars as well as other dangerous game such
as Jaguars involved getting the animal to charge you. With the butt of
the spear grounded securely you caught the critter in the chest or
throat with the tip of the spear and let him run himself onto the
blade. The cross bar was -very- important in keeping the enraged
animal away from your tender hide. Like having a tiger by the tail,
you don't dare let go until it's dead. The blade needs to be very
stout, the cross piece even stouter, and the shaft must not break
under the enormous strain of the battle with furious animal.
I can't quite remember the name of the gentleman who used to hunt
Jaguars with dogs and a spear, Sasha something, but he killed dozens.
His teacher killed hundreds before his last and -only- losing fight.
A real macho way to hunt.
The technique with the knife is the way they hunt stags in France.
Chase them on horse back, jump off and stab them in the heart.
73 Gary






wrote:

>Prometheus wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I don't have much use for a spear myself, but I did get a request for
>> one today from one of my co-worker's fathers. Evidently, his hobby is
>> hunting wild boar with dogs and a spear- not my cup of tea, but if
>> he's into that, I'm not going to be the one to tell him no.
>>
>> He must have done this in the past, at least once, as he evidently
>> lost his trusty boar-hunting spear on a recent expidition, and now
>> he's looking for a replacement.
>>
>> Seems like a blacksmithing job to me, if there ever was one- and I've
>> got a couple of bars of 1095 steel that will work nicely.
>>
>> But here's my dilemma- as I'm not a spear-chucking boar hunter, I have
>> no idea what kind of dimensions a spearhead like that might need to
>> have. I know a boar's hide is tough, and I also know that they're not
>> very easy to kill even with a gun. So, I'm wondering if anyone on
>> here has any knowledge about the situation, so that I can make this
>> thing for the guy.
>>
>> If it was just for show, it wouldn't be an issue, as it'd just have to
>> look nice- but I hate to imagine the guy sticking a 700 pound hog and
>> only wounding it- not only is it a little less humane than I'd prefer
>> to be turning an animal into a pin cushion while dogs are pinning it
>> down, but it could be dangerous for the hunter if the thing got loose
>> after he pissed it off by giving it a poke or two with an inadequate
>> weapon.
>>
>> My gut feeling is that I should make it pretty thick, to reduce the
>> chance of breaking or bending, and reasonably slender, to make it
>> easier to drive in. I don't know if I'm going to forge it or grind it
>> from the bar stock, but the forge will come into play during heat
>> treating, at the very least.
>>
>> Anyone have any particular knowledge on the subject they'd be willing
>> to share, maybe a sketch or two with some rough dimensions on it?
>
> Find a kids book on medival weapons.
>
> Look for a picture of one of the spears that has a blade that looks
>more like a short sword, with a crossbar, to prevent the VERY annoyed
>boar from getting closer.
>
> Or get the customer to give you his input into what works or does not.
>(the way I would go)
>
> IIRC the spear as decribed above, was the weapon used in Europe for
>hunting boar. It may, or may not, meet the needs of the client.
>
> I know that there are outfitters that book hunts, where they will
>provide the dogs, and, if you do not have one, an appropriate knife.
>
> No guns. No spears.
>
> Up close and personal, wading into the fray, with a critter that can
>rip you quite to shreds. :-)
>
> Not my cup O' meat, but... could be a pretty good TV sport. If you
>could get a cameraman that could keep up, running behind the dogs. :-)
>
> Google for "Boar Spear"
>
> Cheers
> Trevor Jones
Gary Pewitt N9ZSV
Sturgeon's Law "Ninety percent of everything is crap"

Posted by Prometheus on November 3, 2007, 1:26 am
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>The method used in hunting boars as well as other dangerous game such
>as Jaguars involved getting the animal to charge you. With the butt of
>the spear grounded securely you caught the critter in the chest or
>throat with the tip of the spear and let him run himself onto the
>blade. The cross bar was -very- important in keeping the enraged
>animal away from your tender hide. Like having a tiger by the tail,
>you don't dare let go until it's dead. The blade needs to be very
>stout, the cross piece even stouter, and the shaft must not break
>under the enormous strain of the battle with furious animal.
>I can't quite remember the name of the gentleman who used to hunt
>Jaguars with dogs and a spear, Sasha something, but he killed dozens.
>His teacher killed hundreds before his last and -only- losing fight.
>A real macho way to hunt.
>The technique with the knife is the way they hunt stags in France.
>Chase them on horse back, jump off and stab them in the heart.

Sounds like this one is the guy doing the latter.

The explanation I got was that they use Jack Russell terrriers to
chase the animal around until it tires out, and then send out several
pit bulls to clamp onto it and hold it while the hunter spears it.
I've never seen it myself, and don't know that it sounds like that
much fun, but I'm a bird hunter (when I have the time and inclination,
which is not all that often)

>73 Gary


Posted by Neon John on November 3, 2007, 8:55 am
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wrote:


>Sounds like this one is the guy doing the latter.
>
>The explanation I got was that they use Jack Russell terrriers to
>chase the animal around until it tires out, and then send out several
>pit bulls to clamp onto it and hold it while the hunter spears it.
>I've never seen it myself, and don't know that it sounds like that
>much fun, but I'm a bird hunter (when I have the time and inclination,
>which is not all that often)

My brother (who is now a fairly famous dentist) killed the largest Russian boar
to
come out of these mountain back in about 1974 by jumping on his back and
slitting his
throat. Over 450 lbs.

The usual boar hunting technique here is to run down a boar with a small pack of
pit
bulls. The dogs will tire out the hog and then the hunter closes in for the
kill.
The usual method is to stick a punkin-ball-loaded sawed-off shotgun up to the hog
right behind the shoulder and pull the trigger. On this particular day the dogs
had
the hog cornered in a little hollow below a trail. Bro got caught up in the
affair,
took a running leap off the trail, onto the hog's back and slit his throat.

They came back here to the cabin with the hog and a dog with his guts being held
in
by a shirt tied around his midsection. The hog had sliced up the dog during the
kill. Amazingly, after bro sewed him up, the dog lived just fine.

My next door neighbor, Bill White, the subject of the book "Swifter than Eagles"
and
the leader of the Battle of Athens, TN (where a group of returning WWII GIs
overthrew
by force of arms the corrupt government that had taken over Athens) hunted bear
with
a Cherokee indian-style stone spear. Bill was half Cherokee. I don't know if
any of
his kills were for the record book or not but some were quite large. No dogs or
guns. Just Bill and spear vs the bear.

John
--
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables!


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