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Patina question Andrew Molinaro 11-28-2006
Posted by Andrew Molinaro on November 28, 2006, 9:49 pm
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Anybody know how to get a antique bronze finish onto steel? A friend of
mine has seen a wet chemical patina that goes on hot and gives a light
brown/bronze finish. It is finished with wax. If anyone knows the recipe I
would love to know it.
We use blueing and darkening solutions. I have even done cold copper
plate, but I haven't heard of this.

Thanks

Andrew Molinaro
www.artisansoftheanvil.com



Posted by Chilla on November 29, 2006, 2:40 am
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I can't help you, when I want a bronze colour... I use bronze :-) Charles

Andrew Molinaro wrote:
> Anybody know how to get a antique bronze finish onto steel? A friend of
> mine has seen a wet chemical patina that goes on hot and gives a light
> brown/bronze finish. It is finished with wax. If anyone knows the recipe I
> would love to know it.
> We use blueing and darkening solutions. I have even done cold copper
> plate, but I haven't heard of this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew Molinaro
> www.artisansoftheanvil.com
>
>


Posted by Andrew Molinaro on December 1, 2006, 9:45 pm
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Charles,

Have you bought bronze lately? Ugh! For that matter, have you forged
it lately? Double ugh. I am still the only guy in my shop who will forge
the bronze and I don't like it.

We have been finishing our iron in wire brushed, hot waxed finish for
about five years (inside). I think that something new is in order so that
is why I posted the question. Plus, I feel a duty to get some more advanced
posts out on the newsgroup. Newbies are great but not that edifying.

So is it cold in Oz. It sure isn't here in the states. Dec 1st and 70
degrees. WT....heck?

Andrew
>I can't help you, when I want a bronze colour... I use bronze :-) Charles
>
> Andrew Molinaro wrote:
>> Anybody know how to get a antique bronze finish onto steel? A friend
>> of mine has seen a wet chemical patina that goes on hot and gives a light
>> brown/bronze finish. It is finished with wax. If anyone knows the
>> recipe I would love to know it.
>> We use blueing and darkening solutions. I have even done cold copper
>> plate, but I haven't heard of this.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Andrew Molinaro
>>
>> www.artisansoftheanvil.com
>



Posted by Chilla on December 2, 2006, 1:42 am
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Hey Andrew,

I don't buy bronze in alloy form these days I mix my own alloys, that
way I get to choose the colour and how brittle the bronze is. $18 AUD
for 1kg tin and $4 AUD for 1kg copper, so a 10kg batch of 90/10 will
cost me $54 AUD. As opposed to the mob in town that charge me 10 cents
a gram plus the extras.

I cast a small billet of 90/10, and attempted to forge it into a
semblance of something... pee-U. I was thinking of casting up some
bronze daggers and cold forging the edges.

For my purposes I just cast fittings and the occasional sculpture. Up
to this point I've only done a max of
1.5kg of bronze (not much in volume). However I am putting together a
reverb furnace for a minimum 30kg melt.

I wish the weather would make up it's mind, one day it's 40 Celsius, the
next it's spanner weather (fyi: Spanner weather means the brass monkey
has had them frozen off and is looking for a spanner to put them back on).



Regards Charles


Andrew Molinaro wrote:
> Charles,
>
> Have you bought bronze lately? Ugh! For that matter, have you forged
> it lately? Double ugh. I am still the only guy in my shop who will forge
> the bronze and I don't like it.
>
> We have been finishing our iron in wire brushed, hot waxed finish for
> about five years (inside). I think that something new is in order so that
> is why I posted the question. Plus, I feel a duty to get some more advanced
> posts out on the newsgroup. Newbies are great but not that edifying.
>
> So is it cold in Oz. It sure isn't here in the states. Dec 1st and 70
> degrees. WT....heck?


Posted by Ecnerwal on November 29, 2006, 8:25 am
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> Anybody know how to get a antique bronze finish onto steel? A friend of
> mine has seen a wet chemical patina that goes on hot and gives a light
> brown/bronze finish. It is finished with wax. If anyone knows the recipe I
> would love to know it.

Well, you could just polish it up well, and then cook (in an oven, in
the presence of air, to get the same oxidation colors we use to temper
by eye) at 400-450F, then cool and wax/lacquer to preserve the color.
ie, "dark straw" and "bronze" are similar colors to my eye...

Gunsmithing lists/links/websites/supply outfits probably have such
things (wet chemical) as "browning" is used as a finish in the same way
that "bluing" is, especially on "antique-type" firearms.

--
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