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Questiion about FAQ and Charter Moonraker 07-18-2007
Posted by Moonraker on July 18, 2007, 4:57 pm
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I'm curious about the procedure to create a moderated group, or change the
group charter to a moderated one?



Posted by Ron Parker on July 19, 2007, 9:21 am
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:57:27 -0400, Moonraker wrote:
> I'm curious about the procedure to create a moderated group, or change the
> group charter to a moderated one?


You go through the same request for discussion/call for votes process you'd
use to create a new newsgroup. See

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/

For further information, you could hang around news.groups or go through old
posts there.


Posted by Moonraker on July 19, 2007, 10:07 am
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> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:57:27 -0400, Moonraker wrote:
>> I'm curious about the procedure to create a moderated group, or change
>> the
>> group charter to a moderated one?
>
>
> You go through the same request for discussion/call for votes process
> you'd
> use to create a new newsgroup. See
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
>
> For further information, you could hang around news.groups or go through
> old
> posts there.
Thanks, Ron.

That looks like a lot of trouble to go through just to kill a couple of
spammers and trolls.



Posted by Ron Parker on July 19, 2007, 11:31 am
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:07:27 -0400, Moonraker wrote:
> That looks like a lot of trouble to go through just to kill a couple of
> spammers and trolls.

It is. And that doesn't even count the work that you commit to if you're
one of the moderators. That's not much work here, granted, because of the
low post volume, but it's still work.

The best way I know of to kill spammers is to get a good newsreader that
lets you filter on the Newsgroups or Xref header and just kill anything
that's posted to more than three or four groups (I'd say more than one
group, but we do get the occasional on-topic thread here cross-posted to
r.c.beads.) That doesn't get the really determined ones who post the
same spew to individual newsgroups one at a time, though.

An alternative, mentioned in the moderation FAQ, is to get everyone to
agree to put some sort of sigil in their Subject header to identify the
post as on-topic, then use your newsreader to ignore any posts that don't
contain the sigil. In a group like this where we have so many newbies
and such low volume, that probably wouldn't go over so well.

The best way to get rid of trolls is to ignore them. Unfortunately, the
Brady twins aren't your usual kind of trolls. Without someone to point
out that Dennis is untrustworthy and a liar, he's likely to sucker some
newbie into giving him money, so we can't all killfile him. Sadly, that
also means that those of us who have killfiled him still see the toxic
waste that results from each of his posts. (And it's not possible to
killfile the replies on the References header, as his message-ids
appear to be too generic.) The best we can do is hope that he eventually
gets it through his thick skull that his continued antagonism here is
costing him revenue. Sadly, that would require him to have a clue how
to run a business and/or how to be a functioning member of society.


Posted by Chemo the Clown on July 21, 2007, 10:39 am
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>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:57:27 -0400, Moonraker wrote:
> >> I'm curious about the procedure to create a moderated group, or change
> >> the
> >> group charter to a moderated one?
>
> > You go through the same request for discussion/call for votes process
> > you'd
> > use to create a new newsgroup. See
>
> >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/moderated-ng-faq/
> >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
>
> > For further information, you could hang around news.groups or go through
> > old
> > posts there.
>
> Thanks, Ron.
>
> That looks like a lot of trouble to go through just to kill a couple of
> spammers and trolls.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I vote Moonraker as President of the Internet.


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