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Question from a non blacksmith The Other Funk 04-27-2007
Posted by The Other Funk on April 27, 2007, 12:43 pm
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I wish I was a blacksmith but its not in the cards right now. However, I
have a need for some hand held hooks to move sacks of coffee. The guys in
the warehouse use what looks like a home made hook with a broom stick
handle. The hooks look like this,
http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=3138&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=hook
only shorter.
I have a piece of 3/8 " rebar that is long enough to make 2 hooks if I make
a tee handle. I have the woodworking skills to make a handle.So my questions
are can I heat the rebar with a MAPP torch enough to bend it? After I grind
the end to a dull point can I re-harden it with the MAPP? Also, I was
thinking of getting the non-pointy end round enough to thread for some nuts
to fasten the whole thing together But I am open to suggestions there.
I know I can just buy the damn things but where is the fun in that. I also
know that I can buy some steel rod which would make the threading operation
more easy to do but I am romanticizing the idea of making do with what I
have.
Bob

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Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
www.moondoggiecoffee.com


Posted by on April 27, 2007, 3:28 pm
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> I have a piece of 3/8 " rebar that is long enough to make 2 hooks if I make
> a tee handle. I have the woodworking skills to make a handle.So my questions
> are can I heat the rebar with a MAPP torch enough to bend it?

Maybe, but, you're going to need a large sized torch head (rose bud)
to do it. You will want to get a nice cherry red to be easy enough to
work with.


After I grind
> the end to a dull point can I re-harden it with the MAPP?

3 points here... First, why grind? blacksmiths use their hammers to
FORGE a point. From the looks of the hook, it doesn't have to be
anything fancy. Use your average ball pien hammer and have some fun
with it. Second, a hook to carry bags doesn't need to be hardened, so
you can forego that experince. Third, common rebar is made out of
random types of steel, so, hardening would be kind of difficult
anyway.

Also, I was
> thinking of getting the non-pointy end round enough to thread for some nuts
> to fasten the whole thing together But I am open to suggestions there.

Could you get away with bending an L shape for the handle and just
using that? You could bend the L inline and over the hooked end to
center to load through your hand. Cheap, fast, and easy.

Another idea would be to bend the handle into an oval shape that would
be similar to the handle shape of the website that you provided. (If
you have enough material).

Hope this helps,
Paul



Posted by Chilla on April 27, 2007, 9:37 pm
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paul_bilodeau1@excite.com wrote:
>>I have a piece of 3/8 " rebar that is long enough to make 2 hooks if I make
>>a tee handle. I have the woodworking skills to make a handle.So my questions
>>are can I heat the rebar with a MAPP torch enough to bend it?
>
>
> Maybe, but, you're going to need a large sized torch head (rose bud)
> to do it. You will want to get a nice cherry red to be easy enough to
> work with.

He should be able to get enough heat to bend in increments, sounds like
he has a Bernzomatic hand held MAPP gas torch. Plenty of heat to do
small bends.



> After I grind
>
>>the end to a dull point can I re-harden it with the MAPP?
>
>
> 3 points here... First, why grind? blacksmiths use their hammers to
> FORGE a point. From the looks of the hook, it doesn't have to be
> anything fancy. Use your average ball pien hammer and have some fun
> with it. Second, a hook to carry bags doesn't need to be hardened, so
> you can forego that experince. Third, common rebar is made out of
> random types of steel, so, hardening would be kind of difficult
> anyway.

Well I can understand why he would grind, a Bernzomatic handheld torch
is okay for light heating jobs, but wouldn't be good enough to do
serious forging. Grinding is a good solution in the circumstances.

We have bail hooks here too, but they have a "T" piece instead of a "D"
for a grip.

Rebar should be thick enough for this application without heat treatment.



> Also, I was
>
>>thinking of getting the non-pointy end round enough to thread for some nuts
>>to fasten the whole thing together But I am open to suggestions there.
>
>
> Could you get away with bending an L shape for the handle and just
> using that? You could bend the L inline and over the hooked end to
> center to load through your hand. Cheap, fast, and easy.
>
> Another idea would be to bend the handle into an oval shape that would
> be similar to the handle shape of the website that you provided. (If
> you have enough material).

<http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/what/specific_objects/tools/409650_hay_hook.php?id=409650>


An easier approach would be like this :-)

<http://www.region.peel.on.ca/heritage/braincell/gadgets/hook.htm>




Posted by The Other Funk on April 27, 2007, 10:21 pm
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Finding the keyboard operational
paul_bilodeau1@excite.com entered:

>> I have a piece of 3/8 " rebar that is long enough to make 2 hooks if
>> I make a tee handle. I have the woodworking skills to make a
>> handle.So my questions are can I heat the rebar with a MAPP torch
>> enough to bend it?
>
> Maybe, but, you're going to need a large sized torch head (rose bud)
> to do it. You will want to get a nice cherry red to be easy enough to
> work with.
>
>
> After I grind
>> the end to a dull point can I re-harden it with the MAPP?
>
> 3 points here... First, why grind? blacksmiths use their hammers to
> FORGE a point. From the looks of the hook, it doesn't have to be
> anything fancy. Use your average ball pien hammer and have some fun
> with it. Second, a hook to carry bags doesn't need to be hardened, so
> you can forego that experince. Third, common rebar is made out of
> random types of steel, so, hardening would be kind of difficult
> anyway.
>
> Also, I was
>> thinking of getting the non-pointy end round enough to thread for
>> some nuts to fasten the whole thing together But I am open to
>> suggestions there.
>
> Could you get away with bending an L shape for the handle and just
> using that? You could bend the L inline and over the hooked end to
> center to load through your hand. Cheap, fast, and easy.
>
> Another idea would be to bend the handle into an oval shape that would
> be similar to the handle shape of the website that you provided. (If
> you have enough material).
>
> Hope this helps,
> Paul

Now this is getting to be fun. I can cobble together a small blower and a
charcoal fire.
Beating on hot metal is a goal of mine but I will have to plan on when.
Second nearest neighbor is less then 50 feet away, I hate suburbia.
Bob

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www.moondoggiecoffee.com


Posted by Mark Finn on April 28, 2007, 2:41 am
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careful bob,
blacksmithing is a lot of fun and addictive. may you find the thrill of
working a substance harder and tougher than you into whatever you can
imagine , a life long quest.
mark


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