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Re: laminated glass tubes Androcles 12-18-2009
Posted by Androcles on December 18, 2009, 9:57 am
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> Hi!
>
> I make display glass tubes with high pressure content (up to 200 bar).
> To protect the tubes from damage and to protect the spectators from
> shrapnel in case of an explosion I try to make a protective cover.
>
> Previously I used polycarbonate tube which is strong enough, but is easy
> to scratch and may turn brittle eventually. So I'm looking for something
> that will last 100+ years. I try to make laminated glass tubes. Filling
> the 1-3mm gap between concentric glass tubes with polyester produced
> bubbles as the polyester shrunk when it set.
>
> Can you recommend other materials to fill the gap? They should ...
>
> last very long (100+ years)
> excellent optical clarity
> The temperature range might be -40 °C (cold weather) to 70 °C (inside a
> car in full sun).
>
> Preferably they should be...
>
> tough
> low viscosity so I can get them in the gap
> index of refraction and thermal expansion similar to borosilicate glass
> - 1,52 and 5 * 10^?6
> not too expensive
>
> Currently I'm thinking of ...
>
> 1) hydrocarbon gel such as in gel candles. It might be fluid enough so
> it will not detach from the glass surfaces when its volume grows and
> shrinks with varying temperature. But I'm afraid the hydrocarbons might
> evaporate.
>
> 2) crystal clear polyurethane resin.
>
> 3) crystal clear silicone or modified silicone/silane (MS-polymer)
>
> 4) Other crystal clear sealants
>
> Actually just a simple (viscous) liquid (glycerol) might do the job, if
> it could be sealed in the gap reliably.
>
> Thanks, Bernhard

Why not make samples and test them by breaking them at 200 bar
and seeing what the result is?

Any restriction on thickness (bullet -proof glass)?
Any restriction on wire?
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Posted by Bernhard Kuemel on December 18, 2009, 10:41 am
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Androcles wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I make display glass tubes with high pressure content (up to 200 bar).
>> To protect the tubes from damage and to protect the spectators from
>> shrapnel in case of an explosion I try to make a protective cover.

> Why not make samples and test them by breaking them at 200 bar
> and seeing what the result is?

I do make explosion tests with display tubes filled to higher than
normal pressure. But acquiring the materials costs money and making the
pressure and protective tubes is a lot of work so I try to pick the
ideal materials at first.

> Any restriction on thickness (bullet -proof glass)?

Not unless they remain practical. I'm currently thinking of 60 mm total
outer diameter with 7 mm wall thickness for the outer tube, 1-3 mm gap
material and 2 mm inner tube of the protective tube. That's 10-12 mm
total wall thickness of the protective tube. Length is 20-25 cm.

The pressure tube within the protective tube is 10 mm OD.

But I could not find bullet proof glass *tubes*. I did find laminated
glass tubes intended as pillars in building construction. However, they
cost near 100 Euro per 25cm piece.

I thought of using laminated glass panes, which are easier to make. But
a tube looks much better than a cuboid. Also how do I join the panes so
they will not open at the edges when the pressure tube explodes.

> Any restriction on wire?
> http://www.fireglass.com/glass/wirelite-nt/

The purpose is to watch the pressure tube in detail. So I will try
without wires.

Bernhard

Posted by Androcles on December 18, 2009, 12:49 pm
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> Androcles wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I make display glass tubes with high pressure content (up to 200 bar).
>>> To protect the tubes from damage and to protect the spectators from
>>> shrapnel in case of an explosion I try to make a protective cover.
>
>> Why not make samples and test them by breaking them at 200 bar
>> and seeing what the result is?
>
> I do make explosion tests with display tubes filled to higher than
> normal pressure. But acquiring the materials costs money and making the
> pressure and protective tubes is a lot of work so I try to pick the
> ideal materials at first.
>
>> Any restriction on thickness (bullet -proof glass)?
>
> Not unless they remain practical. I'm currently thinking of 60 mm total
> outer diameter with 7 mm wall thickness for the outer tube, 1-3 mm gap
> material and 2 mm inner tube of the protective tube. That's 10-12 mm
> total wall thickness of the protective tube. Length is 20-25 cm.
>
> The pressure tube within the protective tube is 10 mm OD.
>
> But I could not find bullet proof glass *tubes*. I did find laminated
> glass tubes intended as pillars in building construction. However, they
> cost near 100 Euro per 25cm piece.
>
> I thought of using laminated glass panes, which are easier to make. But
> a tube looks much better than a cuboid. Also how do I join the panes so
> they will not open at the edges when the pressure tube explodes.
>
>> Any restriction on wire?
>> http://www.fireglass.com/glass/wirelite-nt/
>
> The purpose is to watch the pressure tube in detail. So I will try
> without wires.
>
> Bernhard
If you use a thick-wall tube of toughened glass then why would
you need a protective tube at all? Seems to me you are making
hard work for yourself taking a precaution that is excessive, but
then I don't know what your costs are. Have you approached
any glass manufacturers and obtained quotes?
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Posted by Mark Thorson on December 18, 2009, 4:11 pm
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Bernhard Kuemel wrote:
>
> I thought of using laminated glass panes, which are easier to make. But
> a tube looks much better than a cuboid. Also how do I join the panes so
> they will not open at the edges when the pressure tube explodes.

What about a box that is metal on all sides
but one, the latter being the laminated plate
glass?

Or maybe metal on all sides with a video
camera and lamp inside with the tube.

Posted by Uncle Al on December 19, 2009, 11:09 am
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Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Bernhard Kuemel wrote:
> >
> > I thought of using laminated glass panes, which are easier to make. But
> > a tube looks much better than a cuboid. Also how do I join the panes so
> > they will not open at the edges when the pressure tube explodes.
>
> What about a box that is metal on all sides
> but one, the latter being the laminated plate
> glass?
>
> Or maybe metal on all sides with a video
> camera and lamp inside with the tube.

The cute part is seeing critical point opalescence for CO2, N2O, SF6,
CF3Br, propane, CCl2F2, CH2F2, ethylene, C2F6, etc. Gotta have a
through-sight path.

--
Uncle Al
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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
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