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School this Sat and Sun. theChas. 03-27-2008
Posted by theChas. on March 27, 2008, 1:48 am
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I am going to a blacksmith school Sat and Sun in a neighboring town 35 miles
away. 6 hours each day. limited to 2 students. Last weekend was another
session. Both spaces were filled up but my session so far only has me as a
student. I know a young lady who is interested if she can get the $90
instruction fee and the $20 material fee. The teacher/smithy called me this
afternoon and said all he works is coal forges. I have one I never fired,
but I have a propane one I built last summer, and it really works well. I
know there are not enough days in my life left, to ever learn to make coke
and run a coal forge. I will never end up beating iron. I went to a demo
last fall and a very experienced smithy, who brought his own coke, took over
70 minutes and a can of charcoal starter to get his forge running. That
scared the heck out of me...propane is my salvation.



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Posted by Chilla on March 27, 2008, 2:11 am
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Course you will Chas, you'll probably outlast me.

Just start small, and just think of the metal as you would plasticene.


Regards Charles

theChas. wrote:
> I know there are not enough days in my life left, to ever learn to make coke
> and run a coal forge. I will never end up beating iron.


Posted by Carl West on March 27, 2008, 3:07 am
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When theChas. put fingers to keys it was 3/27/08 1:48 AM...

> I went to a demo
> last fall and a very experienced smithy, who brought his own coke, took over
> 70 minutes and a can of charcoal starter to get his forge running. That
> scared the heck out of me...propane is my salvation.

If you can build and light a wood fire, you can learn to light a coal fire.

I run coal/coke forges, I can get four forges lit in 15 minutes just
using wads of newspaper.

If the smith* brought industrial coke and he wasn't used to it, that
could explain his difficulty. When I used it in Pittsburgh, it was a
royal pain to light. Much denser than the stuff we make on the forge.

- Carl


* yeah, I know, language is a living thing and words' meanings drift,
but I'm pushing back on this one:
Just like a baker works in a bakery, a grocer works in a grocery, and a
chandler works in a chandlery, a smith works in a smithy.

Nothin' personal Chas, just trying to do my bit to stay a person and not
become a place.


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Carl West
http://prospecthillforge.com : The Blacksmithing Classroom
Reduce. Reuse. Recover. Refurbish. Repair. Repurpose. Recycle.

Posted by Chilla on March 27, 2008, 4:01 am
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Aw Carl, you're making your life difficult.

I was not a boy scout, and I can't light a fire for quids... the normal way.

These days I use a hand held bottle mapp gas torch, how lazy is this the
torch lights with the press of a button, and a solid fuel fire can be
running in about 2-5 minutes.

Sure it's a cheat, but I like to be up and running, quickly ;-)


Regards Charles

Carl West wrote:
> If you can build and light a wood fire, you can learn to light a coal fire.
>
> I run coal/coke forges, I can get four forges lit in 15 minutes just
> using wads of newspaper.
>
> If the smith* brought industrial coke and he wasn't used to it, that
> could explain his difficulty. When I used it in Pittsburgh, it was a
> royal pain to light. Much denser than the stuff we make on the forge.
>
> - Carl


Posted by Anlon on March 27, 2008, 11:22 am
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I have tried using a torch and couldn't get my coal started no matter how
long I tried. I went back to my wad of newspaper and in 10 minutes I was
beating metal. Of course my favorite way is to use live coals from a wood
fire.

As far as coal vs coke I have tried to start fires with both coke from the
previous day and commercial coke and it is just too much work. so I start my
fires with coal and then swithch to coke. Besides by using coal to start the
fire the entire neighborhood knows "Melvin is at it again". Plus you ain't
blacksmithin' without a few lungs full of sulphur!!

I will be helping teach a basic blacksmithing class the next two Saturdays
in Kansas City. We limit it to 10 students. We have a triple forge in the
shop where the class is held (it's at the K.C. Ren Fest site), two are on
electric blowers and one is on a bellows. For the rest of the students we
set up an assortment of portable forges around the shop, haul out anvils and
vises and let them have at it. Our classes last from 8:00 until 4:00 both
Saturdays.

Melvin

> Aw Carl, you're making your life difficult.
>
> I was not a boy scout, and I can't light a fire for quids... the normal
> way.
>
> These days I use a hand held bottle mapp gas torch, how lazy is this the
> torch lights with the press of a button, and a solid fuel fire can be
> running in about 2-5 minutes.
>
> Sure it's a cheat, but I like to be up and running, quickly ;-)
>
>
> Regards Charles
>
> Carl West wrote:
>> If you can build and light a wood fire, you can learn to light a coal
>> fire.
>>
>> I run coal/coke forges, I can get four forges lit in 15 minutes just
>> using wads of newspaper.
>>
>> If the smith* brought industrial coke and he wasn't used to it, that
>> could explain his difficulty. When I used it in Pittsburgh, it was a
>> royal pain to light. Much denser than the stuff we make on the forge.
>>
>> - Carl
>



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