Straightening a muffler

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Straightening a muffler Ignoramus11550 11-14-2006
Posted by Ignoramus11550 on November 14, 2006, 11:29 am
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I have a Cummins L423D diesel engine that I am trying to slightly fix
up.

It has a muffler that was hit from the top sideways (when the engine
was being moved on a forklift, I suppose).

Anyway, the muffler attaches to exhaust manifold by means of a diamond
shaped flange and two bolts on the far ends of that diamond. (I can
make and post pictures on my webpage).

The impact made that flange non-flat, like a "saddle". The thickness
of the flange is about 1/4". The deflection is about 3/32"
(guesstimate).

I would like to straighten the flange somewhat. I do not have a forge
but I have a piece of rail, some assorted 4140 blocks and sledgehammer
(3 and 8 lbs, IIRC). I also have a decent TIG welder.

I see two choices:

1) try to straighten the flange by putting it on the rail or flat 4140
block and pounding. (cold)

2) Try to weld a little filler to some areas and then grind the
surface to be reasonably flat (should be fine with a gasket).

The muffler's body was also bent a little bit (where the pmuffler's
pipe enters its cylindrical main body) but I already fixed that
sufficiently to provide clearance for the oil fill cap.

So... any flange straightening suggestions will be gratefully
received. I can provide pictures, as I said.

thank you.

i

Posted by Pete C. on November 14, 2006, 11:36 am
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Ignoramus11550 wrote:
>
> I have a Cummins L423D diesel engine that I am trying to slightly fix
> up.
>
> It has a muffler that was hit from the top sideways (when the engine
> was being moved on a forklift, I suppose).
>
> Anyway, the muffler attaches to exhaust manifold by means of a diamond
> shaped flange and two bolts on the far ends of that diamond. (I can
> make and post pictures on my webpage).
>
> The impact made that flange non-flat, like a "saddle". The thickness
> of the flange is about 1/4". The deflection is about 3/32"
> (guesstimate).
>
> I would like to straighten the flange somewhat. I do not have a forge
> but I have a piece of rail, some assorted 4140 blocks and sledgehammer
> (3 and 8 lbs, IIRC). I also have a decent TIG welder.
>
> I see two choices:
>
> 1) try to straighten the flange by putting it on the rail or flat 4140
> block and pounding. (cold)
>
> 2) Try to weld a little filler to some areas and then grind the
> surface to be reasonably flat (should be fine with a gasket).
>
> The muffler's body was also bent a little bit (where the pmuffler's
> pipe enters its cylindrical main body) but I already fixed that
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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:36:13 GMT

Ignoramus11550 wrote:
>
> I have a Cummins L423D diesel engine that I am trying to slightly fix
> up.
>
> It has a muffler that was hit from the top sideways (when the engine
> was being moved on a forklift, I suppose).
>
> Anyway, the muffler attaches to exhaust manifold by means of a diamond
> shaped flange and two bolts on the far ends of that diamond. (I can
> make and post pictures on my webpage).
>
> The impact made that flange non-flat, like a "saddle". The thickness
> of the flange is about 1/4". The deflection is about 3/32"
> (guesstimate).
>
> I would like to straighten the flange somewhat. I do not have a forge
> but I have a piece of rail, some assorted 4140 blocks and sledgehammer
> (3 and 8 lbs, IIRC). I also have a decent TIG welder.
>
> I see two choices:
>
> 1) try to straighten the flange by putting it on the rail or flat 4140
> block and pounding. (cold)
>
> 2) Try to weld a little filler to some areas and then grind the
> surface to be reasonably flat (should be fine with a gasket).
>
> The muffler's body was also bent a little bit (where the pmuffler's
> pipe enters its cylindrical main body) but I already fixed that
> sufficiently to provide clearance for the oil fill cap.
>
> So... any flange straightening suggestions will be gratefully
> received. I can provide pictures, as I said.
>
> thank you.
>
> i

Cut the flange off the pipe, flatten appropriately with hydraulic press,
sledge and backer, etc. then TIG back on to the pipe.

Pete C.

Posted by Ignoramus11550 on November 14, 2006, 11:46 am
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> Ignoramus11550 wrote:
>>
>> I have a Cummins L423D diesel engine that I am trying to slightly fix
>> up.
>>
>> It has a muffler that was hit from the top sideways (when the engine
>> was being moved on a forklift, I suppose).
>>
>> Anyway, the muffler attaches to exhaust manifold by means of a diamond
>> shaped flange and two bolts on the far ends of that diamond. (I can
>> make and post pictures on my webpage).
>>
>> The impact made that flange non-flat, like a "saddle". The thickness
>> of the flange is about 1/4". The deflection is about 3/32"
>> (guesstimate).
>>
>> I would like to straighten the flange somewhat. I do not have a forge
>> but I have a piece of rail, some assorted 4140 blocks and sledgehammer
>> (3 and 8 lbs, IIRC). I also have a decent TIG welder.
>>
>> I see two choices:
>>
>> 1) try to straighten the flange by putting it on the rail or flat 4140
>> block and pounding. (cold)
>>
>> 2) Try to weld a little filler to some areas and then grind the
>> surface to be reasonably flat (should be fine with a gasket).
>>
>> The muffler's body was also bent a little bit (where the pmuffler's
>> pipe enters its cylindrical main body) but I already fixed that
>> sufficiently to provide clearance for the oil fill cap.
>>
>> So... any flange straightening suggestions will be gratefully
>> received. I can provide pictures, as I said.
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> i
>
> Cut the flange off the pipe, flatten appropriately with hydraulic press,
> sledge and backer, etc. then TIG back on to the pipe.

I think that it's a great idea, thanks Pete. Could be the easiest
also.

i

Posted by Peter Grey on November 14, 2006, 12:30 pm
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>> So... any flange straightening suggestions will be gratefully
>> received. I can provide pictures, as I said.
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> i
>
> Cut the flange off the pipe, flatten appropriately with hydraulic press,
> sledge and backer, etc. then TIG back on to the pipe.

That was my thought too. That or make a new flange and replace the old
one - what ever is easier.

Peter



Posted by rigger on November 14, 2006, 11:37 am
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Ignoramus11550 wrote:
> I have a Cummins L423D diesel engine that I am trying to slightly fix
> up.
>
> It has a muffler that was hit from the top sideways (when the engine
> was being moved on a forklift, I suppose).
>
> Anyway, the muffler attaches to exhaust manifold by means of a diamond
> shaped flange and two bolts on the far ends of that diamond. (I can
> make and post pictures on my webpage).
>
> The impact made that flange non-flat, like a "saddle". The thickness
> of the flange is about 1/4". The deflection is about 3/32"
> (guesstimate).
>
> I would like to straighten the flange somewhat. I do not have a forge
> but I have a piece of rail, some assorted 4140 blocks and sledgehammer
> (3 and 8 lbs, IIRC). I also have a decent TIG welder.
>
> I see two choices:
>
> 1) try to straighten the flange by putting it on the rail or flat 4140
> block and pounding. (cold)
>
> 2) Try to weld a little filler to some areas and then grind the
> surface to be reasonably flat (should be fine with a gasket).
>
> The muffler's body was also bent a little bit (where the pmuffler's
> pipe enters its cylindrical main body) but I already fixed that
> sufficiently to provide clearance for the oil fill cap.
>
> So... any flange straightening suggestions will be gratefully
> received. I can provide pictures, as I said.
>
> thank you.
>
> i

How thick is the flange? If not too thick you could use a hand held
O/A torch or even a MAPP or propane torch to heat it to red heat.

dennis
in nca



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