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Strikers for Flint and steel Needed granpaw 11-23-2006
Posted by Chilla on November 26, 2006, 7:48 pm
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Trevor Jones wrote:
> From a personal perspective.
>
> I decided a while back, that doing my hobbies, for other peoples
> profits, made my hobbies into work, thus not a relaxing way to spend my
> time.
>
> Very occasionally, I have made small runs of parts for other people,
> but I sold them at full retail, or otherwise got what I felt my leisure
> time was worth to me out of them. On some occasions, I have been able to
> trade my goods for goods that others had that they were not willing to
> sell at any price (at least not any I was going to offer), and we were
> both satisfied with the deal.
>
> I figure that a guy could jig up and do these in a couple minutes each.
> A die for the taper, a jig for the bends. They all would look like
> production ironwork, and I would not want to own one, for that reason.
> If they were each made start to finish by handwork, I would expect to
> spend about 20 or a bit more minutes each making them, say 25 minutes
> total including a nice finish, each. 2500 minutes, a bit over 41 hours
> for a hundred, even at half that, that's still 20 hours work for $300.
>
> I'd have to be drooling over something that I could really not afford
> otherwise, to spend 41 hours working on a pile of parts for someone
> else, and the price I got would have to justify that, too.
>
> At the end of it all, I would hate spending time in my shop. That's a
> tough thing to feel about a leisure time activity. It becomes not fun.
>
> Since I do the stuff for fun and relaxation, that kinda ruins the whole
> vibe.
>
> Cheers
> Trevor Jones

Hi Trevor,

Yep I can relate a little, the unfortunate thing for me is that, when I
make stuff people want to buy it. I haven't really learnt to say no
just yet, and end up over loaded :-(


Regards Charles



Posted by Trevor Jones on November 26, 2006, 8:32 pm
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Chilla wrote:

>

>
> Hi Trevor,
>
> Yep I can relate a little, the unfortunate thing for me is that, when I
> make stuff people want to buy it. I haven't really learnt to say no
> just yet, and end up over loaded :-(
>
>
> Regards Charles
>
>
I have no problem with people wanting to buy what I make. My problem
is with people that expect me to make what they want to resell, or
dictating to me what I should be making. If I wished to work for them,
I'd try to get hired on.

I tend to limit sales to stuff that I have done, rather than doing
stuff for sale or to order. That's not often, that I have stuff to sell,
that is.

The heart shaped hooks episode drove that home to me. It was not fun,
and I was there in the shop to enjoy myself, supposedly.

So the few things I pound out, either get given away, or sometimes
traded. I actively discourage people that ask for quantities and know a
couple folk that can use the work, so I send work to them. I tend
towards being indelicate when dealing with people that are trying to
monopolize my time and are being cheap about it.

On the other hand, if someone asks nice and the project is interesting
to me, well, then it's fun!

Cheers
Trevor Jones


Posted by Chilla on November 27, 2006, 5:41 pm
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Trevor Jones wrote:
> I have no problem with people wanting to buy what I make. My problem is
> with people that expect me to make what they want to resell, or
> dictating to me what I should be making. If I wished to work for them,
> I'd try to get hired on.
>
> I tend to limit sales to stuff that I have done, rather than doing
> stuff for sale or to order. That's not often, that I have stuff to sell,
> that is.
>
> The heart shaped hooks episode drove that home to me. It was not fun,
> and I was there in the shop to enjoy myself, supposedly.
>
> So the few things I pound out, either get given away, or sometimes
> traded. I actively discourage people that ask for quantities and know a
> couple folk that can use the work, so I send work to them. I tend
> towards being indelicate when dealing with people that are trying to
> monopolize my time and are being cheap about it.
>
> On the other hand, if someone asks nice and the project is interesting
> to me, well, then it's fun!
>
> Cheers
> Trevor Jones

Hi Trevor,
I do that already with leather work, still get a lot of people wanting a
lot of things even at the high work rate. Fortunately the leather work
has slowed down a little, so I can spend more time forging and melting
metal.

So much to do no time to do it.

I will consider what you have said, and hope fully find a solution that
works for me.


Thanks regards Charles


Posted by Ecnerwal on November 26, 2006, 11:51 pm
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> Yep I can relate a little, the unfortunate thing for me is that, when I
> make stuff people want to buy it. I haven't really learnt to say no
> just yet, and end up over loaded :-(

There is a very simple solution to this one. Don't say no, but you can
figure you're not charging enough if you're overloaded. So double your
prices (and there, you DO have to be hard nosed about it, - you may not
be able to say no, but you had better be able to say "this is my shop
rate, pay it or don't bother me). If that doesn't solve it, double them
again. When the load suits, just raise them 5-10% per year...

It does not really solve the hobby/work issue, but it can make a pretty
good dent in the overwork issue, and might allow a bit more hobby time,
if that is an important issue for you.

--
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Posted by Chilla on November 27, 2006, 5:44 pm
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Ecnerwal wrote:

> There is a very simple solution to this one. Don't say no, but you can
> figure you're not charging enough if you're overloaded. So double your
> prices (and there, you DO have to be hard nosed about it, - you may not
> be able to say no, but you had better be able to say "this is my shop
> rate, pay it or don't bother me). If that doesn't solve it, double them
> again. When the load suits, just raise them 5-10% per year...
>
> It does not really solve the hobby/work issue, but it can make a pretty
> good dent in the overwork issue, and might allow a bit more hobby time,
> if that is an important issue for you.

Maybe I'm not charging enough for the metal work... this worked a little
for leather work, but the work is still there.

I'm sort of at the point where I could do with an apprentice, and I have
a couple of people in mind for additions to my crew.

I do this as a hobby and as work, for me there's no difference.


Regards Charles


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