Trying to figure out appropriate forge size for burner- any help appreciated!

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Trying to figure out appropriate forge size for burner- any help appreciated! Prometheus 12-01-2006
Posted by on December 9, 2006, 11:33 pm
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> Well...that sounds like new prices to me for standard firebrick.
> I'm reasonably sure 2300F would be a mistake. I don't know about
> the 2600F bricks; I've always used 3000F bricks.
> Thanks for checking, but I think I'll pass.
> steve

I'm completely devastated. :/

Trevor and Steve are soooo stinkin mean! ;)

Alvin in Dispair

Posted by Martin H. Eastburn on December 3, 2006, 9:04 pm
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alvinj@XX.com wrote:
>>>~$3 each as opposed to ~$.50 each for the heavy firebricks.
>>
>>Anyone have a good online source for these? AFAIK, there are no
>>pottery suppliers in my neck of the woods.
>
>
> What neck of the woods is that? :)
>
> Got mine at a brick yard in dumb ol Tucson. :)
>
> They had several to choose from, different top temperatures and
> different insulation levels. Mine are the most insulating and are
> just like (no kidding) the material inside the ceramic kilns. (was
> given a rusted out mess of a cermic kiln back in the late 80's)
>
> I was at the scrapyard one day and a couple guys were removing fire
> bricks from one of those rotary-glass-melters they use to make
> telescope mirrors at the UofA. Another college threw his whole
> works away, they found out where and high-tailed it over there and
> began stripping it of the more valuable parts. :) The fancy bricks.
>
> The bricks they were removing looked kinda like fused clear glass
> beads and the guys were telling me how similar they were to the
> space shuttle tiles etc. They gave me the distinct impression my
> bricks were "ho hum" bricks. ;)
>
> They looked like "mutt and jeff". :) I recognized the short fat one
> right away from TV (Science channel) and later saw the tall skinny
> one on TV.
>
> Anyway, insulated firebricks would be quick and easy to fool with
> but IMO, from what I've learned here, that isn't the best way to
> get something worth while for forging.
>
> "batting with a coating, inside a metal container" -a.c.b
>
> Cheaper and better both, right guys?
>
> Alvin in AZ (not a blacksmith)

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Posted by Pete Keillor on December 3, 2006, 7:42 am
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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:43:56 -0600, Prometheus

>On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:58:23 +0000 (UTC), alvinj@XX.com wrote:
>
>>My stuff ain't setup for forging just for heat treating knife blades
>>and springs. The lighter colored bricks are insulated firebricks
>>and are light-weight like styrofoam. No kidding, I've held one in
>>my barehand while one face of the brick was at-least-orange-hot and
>>turned that face toward my face and felt like it about singed my
>>eyebrows. :)
>>
>>~$3 each as opposed to ~$.50 each for the other heavy firebricks.
>
>Anyone have a good online source for these? AFAIK, there are no
>pottery suppliers in my neck of the woods.

I used Bailey's. http://www.baileypottery.com/

Pete Keillor

Posted by Steve Smith on December 3, 2006, 8:20 am
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Prometheus wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:58:23 +0000 (UTC), alvinj@XX.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>My stuff ain't setup for forging just for heat treating knife blades
>>and springs. The lighter colored bricks are insulated firebricks
>>and are light-weight like styrofoam. No kidding, I've held one in
>>my barehand while one face of the brick was at-least-orange-hot and
>>turned that face toward my face and felt like it about singed my
>>eyebrows. :)
>>
>>~$3 each as opposed to ~$.50 each for the other heavy firebricks.
>>
>>
>
>Anyone have a good online source for these? AFAIK, there are no
>pottery suppliers in my neck of the woods.
>
>

Posted by Chilla on December 2, 2006, 1:48 am
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Howdy,

I would suggest carving 1 brick and make a 1 brick forge until you're
ready to step up to a larger capacity. Considering you've only got a
plumbers hand torch.

If you do this you will definitely be able to get started.


Regards Charles
P.S. 9 x 1 is a recommended ratio of bore to length.
P.P.S. JTH-7 Bernzomatic Hose Torch

Prometheus wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I got myself a box of firebricks, and stacked them so that the area
> inside my little forge was 81 cubic inches. The only burner I have
> right now is a plumber's style propane torch- and that's not likely to
> change until well after the holliday season, whether I'd like it to or
> not.
>
> I'm guessing that the volume of the interior is just way too big for
> what I'm doing- it will heat a 1/2" bar to a dull red, but it's even
> slower than just holding the torch on it in the open air.
>
> The interior dimentions as I've got the bricks stacked are 2" wide,
> 4.5 " high, and 9" deep. I've got a hole drilled at a approx. 30
> degree angle (pointing slightly upwards, so the tank can sit nearly
> upright) in the center of one of the firebricks on the side. The
> firebricks are cheap fireplace liners from Menard's, 4.5" x 9" x 1.5".
>
> There are some cracks where air can get in due to the roughness of the
> bricks, and after a little experimentation, I made an opening of about
> 1.5" x 2" on each end by laying a firebrick on each end. That seemed
> to work about as well as it was going to work- which is not very well,
> of course.
>
> I'm sure there are some problems with the design that will be
> immediately apparent to someone with more experience, so I'm hoping
> one of you guys will have an idea of how I can tune this up a bit.
>
> What I *can* do within my resources and budget is cut the firebrick to
> whatever size is appropriate for a propane torch forge, and make a
> metal box out of anything from 11-20 ga. 1018 or 301 stainless that
> the firebrick can slide into- I think I could also manage to get a
> second propane or mapp gas torch. hopefully, that's enough to get me
> going!
>
> Any suggestions, and particularly info related to volume and vent
> opening sizes will be really appreciated. I'm sure I'll upgrade to
> something better with a real burner and that ceramic insulation soon
> enough, but I'm just messing around on a budget for now.




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