clay tempering a european sword blade

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clay tempering a european sword blade Hveem 11-26-2005
Posted by Hveem on November 26, 2005, 9:18 pm
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It is possible to clay temper a double edged sword blade? The blade is in
13'th century hand-and-a-half-sword style, and about one meter in lenght.
The blade is made out of a old truck spring.

It looks a lot like this sword:
http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/johnsson/svante1.jpg




Posted by Greyangel on November 27, 2005, 1:00 pm
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Don Fogg does it all the time. Others too. Not necessarily the style you
pictured here but double edge is do-able. I think the trick is in balancing
the clay on both sides to avoid warpage.

GA

> It is possible to clay temper a double edged sword blade? The blade is in
> 13'th century hand-and-a-half-sword style, and about one meter in lenght.
> The blade is made out of a old truck spring.
>
> It looks a lot like this sword:
> http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/johnsson/svante1.jpg
>
>
>



Posted by Charly the Bastard on November 27, 2005, 6:25 pm
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Greyangel wrote:

> Don Fogg does it all the time. Others too. Not necessarily the style you
> pictured here but double edge is do-able. I think the trick is in balancing
> the clay on both sides to avoid warpage.
>
> GA
>
> > It is possible to clay temper a double edged sword blade? The blade is in
> > 13'th century hand-and-a-half-sword style, and about one meter in lenght.
> > The blade is made out of a old truck spring.
> >
> > It looks a lot like this sword:
> > http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/johnsson/svante1.jpg
> >
> >
> >

Sure, it's doable, but why would you? If it's 5160, then zone temper isn't as
effective as a deep harden and draw. I tried some clay mask on 5160; didn't get
a hamon, more of a change in luster. The mask was only good for about five
points, hardly worth the effort. Plain carbon steels are much more responsive
to the clay mask, I think the chrome slows everything down too much to get the
hard transition.

Charly




Posted by Hveem on November 27, 2005, 9:30 pm
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I dont think it is 5160 series steel. I think it is a plain carbon steel
type.
I live in Europe, so it is possible it is a eropean type steel.

It is possible for me to find some left overs from the spring the blade was
forged, and see if it takes the clay tempering.

Do someone here know about someone that can clay temper the blade for me?
And with some kind of guaranty?
I am no blacksmith myself, so i am afrayd to destroy the blade. The smith
that made the blade for me here in norway, does not have the time and
know-how to do it.

I can send mesurements on the blade or pictures on request.

> Greyangel wrote:
>
> > Don Fogg does it all the time. Others too. Not necessarily the style
you
> > pictured here but double edge is do-able. I think the trick is in
balancing
> > the clay on both sides to avoid warpage.
> >
> > GA
> >
> > > It is possible to clay temper a double edged sword blade? The blade
is in
> > > 13'th century hand-and-a-half-sword style, and about one meter in
lenght.
> > > The blade is made out of a old truck spring.
> > >
> > > It looks a lot like this sword:
> > > http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/johnsson/svante1.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> Sure, it's doable, but why would you? If it's 5160, then zone temper isn't
as
> effective as a deep harden and draw. I tried some clay mask on 5160;
didn't get
> a hamon, more of a change in luster. The mask was only good for about five
> points, hardly worth the effort. Plain carbon steels are much more
responsive
> to the clay mask, I think the chrome slows everything down too much to get
the
> hard transition.
>
> Charly
>
>
>



Posted by Ecnerwal on November 27, 2005, 11:06 pm
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> I dont think it is 5160 series steel. I think it is a plain carbon steel
> type.
> I live in Europe, so it is possible it is a eropean type steel.

It's a truck spring, so it's exceedingly likely that it is either 5160,
or something very closely equivalent (but european) to 5160, since that
works very well for truck springs, so virtually all truck and car leaf
springs are made from it.

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