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glass sales off 20% overall diddlywhoot 07-11-2006
Posted by on July 15, 2006, 9:09 pm
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Kalera wrote:

> That's fishy in itself, but I also just don't understand it when I can
> buy finished goods for less than the cost of materials. One example is
> seeing lampwork beads at shows, purportedly (and to my eye,
> legitimately) made with Bullseye glass but selling for less than
> Bullseye rods sell for per pound, wholesale.
>
> Mysterious.

There are many levels of wholesale. If you qualify to by wholesale from
a distributor or eve direct from BE and you order say 20 lbs of rods
and you pay X. Then there's the guy in China (and he doesn't have to be
from China) who orders 20 tons of BE...do you think he's paying X? Not
likely. As smart as the Chinese are, it wouldn't take them long to make
rods that look just like BE and have the same COE. Heck, they're making
Armstrong glass and you couldn't tell the difference from whether it
was made here or there. As for the cost of materials like the shovel,
with the number of handles you could get out of a long you could safely
assume that the handle cost maybe 10 cents. The blade, which is nothing
more than recycled steel is poured into molds and they probably poor
1000 at a time. So, you end up with maybe 20 cents in the blade. Labor
could be something like 25 cents or less per shovel. Now were backe to
where the shovel costs about 50 cents to make. Look at a 2 x4...stud
grade maybe costing $1.50 - $3 depending on where you buy it. Kinda
makes you wonder how they can make it for that but they do and they
make a profit. And...I'm not even going to get into the rakes.


Posted by Kalera on July 15, 2006, 9:17 pm
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royaltd97@yahoo.com wrote:
> Kalera wrote:
>
>> That's fishy in itself, but I also just don't understand it when I can
>> buy finished goods for less than the cost of materials. One example is
>> seeing lampwork beads at shows, purportedly (and to my eye,
>> legitimately) made with Bullseye glass but selling for less than
>> Bullseye rods sell for per pound, wholesale.
>>
>> Mysterious.
>
> There are many levels of wholesale. If you qualify to by wholesale from
> a distributor or eve direct from BE and you order say 20 lbs of rods
> and you pay X. Then there's the guy in China (and he doesn't have to be
> from China) who orders 20 tons of BE...do you think he's paying X? Not
> likely. As smart as the Chinese are, it wouldn't take them long to make
> rods that look just like BE and have the same COE. Heck, they're making
> Armstrong glass and you couldn't tell the difference from whether it
> was made here or there. As for the cost of materials like the shovel,
> with the number of handles you could get out of a long you could safely
> assume that the handle cost maybe 10 cents. The blade, which is nothing
> more than recycled steel is poured into molds and they probably poor
> 1000 at a time. So, you end up with maybe 20 cents in the blade. Labor
> could be something like 25 cents or less per shovel. Now were backe to
> where the shovel costs about 50 cents to make. Look at a 2 x4...stud
> grade maybe costing $1.50 - $3 depending on where you buy it. Kinda
> makes you wonder how they can make it for that but they do and they
> make a profit. And...I'm not even going to get into the rakes.
>

I'm pretty familiar with Bullseye's wholesale schedule...

I can certainly imagine the Chinese making a reasonable facsimile of
some Bullseye glass colors, (others are so tricky that even Uroboros
hasn't figured them out) but they seem to have a *really* hard time
getting the COE consistent. That's one of the reasons, as I understand
it, that most of the Chinese bead factories use Kinari glass from Japan.

The steel in the shovel is stamped rather than cast, so I may grant you
that... I'm a wee bit skeptical.
--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.bridgetownglass.com
On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe

Posted by on July 15, 2006, 10:31 pm
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There are some wholesale schedules only certain eyes get to see.
Stamped or molded steel...doesn't matter.
Fact, the Chinese have some of the most advanced factories in the word,
dedicated workers...contrary to popular belief not everything made in
China is by slave labor. In fact, very few things are. Funny how a lot
of people think that the factory worker is being paid so called slave
wages when in fact they are not...they're not getting rich by any means
but most make a decent wage for thier economic enviroment. But, that's
here nor there other than they are very hard workers and can produce
more shovels than any American can factory can. Maybe not the best but
certainly not the worst.

Kalera wrote:
> royaltd97@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Kalera wrote:
> >
> >> That's fishy in itself, but I also just don't understand it when I can
> >> buy finished goods for less than the cost of materials. One example is
> >> seeing lampwork beads at shows, purportedly (and to my eye,
> >> legitimately) made with Bullseye glass but selling for less than
> >> Bullseye rods sell for per pound, wholesale.
> >>
> >> Mysterious.
> >
> > There are many levels of wholesale. If you qualify to by wholesale from
> > a distributor or eve direct from BE and you order say 20 lbs of rods
> > and you pay X. Then there's the guy in China (and he doesn't have to be
> > from China) who orders 20 tons of BE...do you think he's paying X? Not
> > likely. As smart as the Chinese are, it wouldn't take them long to make
> > rods that look just like BE and have the same COE. Heck, they're making
> > Armstrong glass and you couldn't tell the difference from whether it
> > was made here or there. As for the cost of materials like the shovel,
> > with the number of handles you could get out of a long you could safely
> > assume that the handle cost maybe 10 cents. The blade, which is nothing
> > more than recycled steel is poured into molds and they probably poor
> > 1000 at a time. So, you end up with maybe 20 cents in the blade. Labor
> > could be something like 25 cents or less per shovel. Now were backe to
> > where the shovel costs about 50 cents to make. Look at a 2 x4...stud
> > grade maybe costing $1.50 - $3 depending on where you buy it. Kinda
> > makes you wonder how they can make it for that but they do and they
> > make a profit. And...I'm not even going to get into the rakes.
> >
>
> I'm pretty familiar with Bullseye's wholesale schedule...
>
> I can certainly imagine the Chinese making a reasonable facsimile of
> some Bullseye glass colors, (others are so tricky that even Uroboros
> hasn't figured them out) but they seem to have a *really* hard time
> getting the COE consistent. That's one of the reasons, as I understand
> it, that most of the Chinese bead factories use Kinari glass from Japan.
>
> The steel in the shovel is stamped rather than cast, so I may grant you
> that... I'm a wee bit skeptical.
> --
> -Kalera
> http://www.beadwife.com
> http://www.bridgetownglass.com
> On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe


Posted by nJb on July 16, 2006, 12:18 am
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royaltd97@yahoo.com wrote:

> There are some wholesale schedules only certain eyes get to see.
> Stamped or molded steel...doesn't matter.

It certainly does matter if you're paying the production costs. Shovels
are stamped.

--
Jack

        

Posted by Kalera on July 16, 2006, 3:43 pm
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royaltd97@yahoo.com wrote:
> There are some wholesale schedules only certain eyes get to see.

I worked for Bullseye. When I say I'm familiar with their wholesale
schedules, I mean I'm intimately familiar with their wholesale schedules.

> Stamped or molded steel...doesn't matter.

Stamped is cheaper, actually, which is why I was conceding that one.

> Fact, the Chinese have some of the most advanced factories in the word,
> dedicated workers...contrary to popular belief not everything made in
> China is by slave labor. In fact, very few things are. Funny how a lot
> of people think that the factory worker is being paid so called slave
> wages when in fact they are not...they're not getting rich by any means
> but most make a decent wage for thier economic enviroment. But, that's
> here nor there other than they are very hard workers and can produce
> more shovels than any American can factory can. Maybe not the best but
> certainly not the worst.

I know. But the economics of it are still sketchy, to say the least.
Personally, I suspect government subsidies as part of a long-term
national economic plan which aims to corner the world market on
manufactured consumer goods.

If I'm right, prices on Chinese goods will increase dramatically in a
few years.
--
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.bridgetownglass.com
On eBay: http://www.snurl.com/1sfe

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