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hydraulic forging press? granpaw 10-26-2006
Posted by Ignoramus16855 on October 27, 2006, 10:50 pm
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Pumps are not very expensive, they can be bought on industrial
liquidations for not too much and will have a lot of horsepower and
will likely be of exceptional quality. (of course you need to have 3
phase, which I assume most of you do).

You can buy hydraulic cylinders from a variety of sources, for example
I am selling cylinders with 8" bore, and about 24" stroke right now, I
have two. (shameless plug) They are from a military 50,000 lbs rough
terrain forklift.

Making a proper frame for a high power press is certainly a challenge
as far as making it safe and sound is concerned.

I would just look for a industrial A or H frame press at liquidations,
again, they are not expensive and it is easier to buy something made
than spend forever scrouging I beams and welding stuff and grinding
off bad welds.

Ergo

http://www.winternitz.com/inventory/detail.asp?ID=20465

600 ton press in Chicago. (A little hard to believe this number, be
careful)

I am not affiliated with the seller, though I bought quite a few
things on their auctions.

i

Posted by John Husvar on October 28, 2006, 8:14 am
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> Pumps are not very expensive, they can be bought on industrial
> liquidations for not too much and will have a lot of horsepower and
> will likely be of exceptional quality. (of course you need to have 3
> phase, which I assume most of you do).
>
> You can buy hydraulic cylinders from a variety of sources, for example
> I am selling cylinders with 8" bore, and about 24" stroke right now, I
> have two. (shameless plug) They are from a military 50,000 lbs rough
> terrain forklift.
>
> Making a proper frame for a high power press is certainly a challenge
> as far as making it safe and sound is concerned.
>
> I would just look for a industrial A or H frame press at liquidations,
> again, they are not expensive and it is easier to buy something made
> than spend forever scrouging I beams and welding stuff and grinding
> off bad welds.
>
> Ergo
>
> http://www.winternitz.com/inventory/detail.asp?ID=20465
>
> 600 ton press in Chicago. (A little hard to believe this number, be
> careful)
>

Same here. Could be a typo? That's not much cylinder _or_ frame for 600
tons, going by a guess at the size of the compressor next to it.

I could ask if my old employer is ready to sell the old press: 20' above
the ground, 20' in the ground, 40" ram, would reduce a 40" x 72" round
billet to 10" thick in about, oh, 10 seconds. Of course the billet was
at 2300 degrees at the time and the pressure was right at 5000 psi but
it was still one heck of a hydraulic forging press.

Oh, yeah, after the Big Squish, then they went and punched a hole in the
donut with an auxiliary ram mounted on the side of the main one. Somehow
I never got tired of watching that thing really: Squash, make flat!

Not _the_ biggest press around, but adequate for the home workshop.

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Posted by Ignoramus21257 on October 28, 2006, 10:57 pm
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>
>> Pumps are not very expensive, they can be bought on industrial
>> liquidations for not too much and will have a lot of horsepower and
>> will likely be of exceptional quality. (of course you need to have 3
>> phase, which I assume most of you do).
>>
>> You can buy hydraulic cylinders from a variety of sources, for example
>> I am selling cylinders with 8" bore, and about 24" stroke right now, I
>> have two. (shameless plug) They are from a military 50,000 lbs rough
>> terrain forklift.
>>
>> Making a proper frame for a high power press is certainly a challenge
>> as far as making it safe and sound is concerned.
>>
>> I would just look for a industrial A or H frame press at liquidations,
>> again, they are not expensive and it is easier to buy something made
>> than spend forever scrouging I beams and welding stuff and grinding
>> off bad welds.
>>
>> Ergo
>>
>> http://www.winternitz.com/inventory/detail.asp?ID=20465
>>
>> 600 ton press in Chicago. (A little hard to believe this number, be
>> careful)
>>
>
> Same here. Could be a typo? That's not much cylinder _or_ frame for 600
> tons, going by a guess at the size of the compressor next to it.

Looks like a 50 ton press to me.

> I could ask if my old employer is ready to sell the old press: 20' above
> the ground, 20' in the ground, 40" ram, would reduce a 40" x 72" round
> billet to 10" thick in about, oh, 10 seconds. Of course the billet was
> at 2300 degrees at the time and the pressure was right at 5000 psi but
> it was still one heck of a hydraulic forging press.

Sounds a little undersized. ;)


i

Posted by GSG on November 6, 2006, 12:44 pm
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Hi gang,
Time for a gloat here. I just traded my monster Johnson gas
furnace for a pristine, 25ton,4 post shearing press! 7hp, 18x24 platen.
it's not the best configuration for forging but I'll make due or tear it
down and build it back as a c-frame design. I am more interested in
working sheet material anyway.



John Husvar wrote:

>
>
>>Pumps are not very expensive, they can be bought on industrial
>>liquidations for not too much and will have a lot of horsepower and
>>will likely be of exceptional quality. (of course you need to have 3
>>phase, which I assume most of you do).
>>
>>You can buy hydraulic cylinders from a variety of sources, for example
>>I am selling cylinders with 8" bore, and about 24" stroke right now, I
>>have two. (shameless plug) They are from a military 50,000 lbs rough
>>terrain forklift.
>>
>>Making a proper frame for a high power press is certainly a challenge
>>as far as making it safe and sound is concerned.
>>
>>I would just look for a industrial A or H frame press at liquidations,
>>again, they are not expensive and it is easier to buy something made
>>than spend forever scrouging I beams and welding stuff and grinding
>>off bad welds.
>>
>>Ergo
>>
>> http://www.winternitz.com/inventory/detail.asp?ID=20465
>>
>>600 ton press in Chicago. (A little hard to believe this number, be
>>careful)
>>
>>
>
> Same here. Could be a typo? That's not much cylinder _or_ frame for 600
> tons, going by a guess at the size of the compressor next to it.
>
> I could ask if my old employer is ready to sell the old press: 20' above
> the ground, 20' in the ground, 40" ram, would reduce a 40" x 72" round
> billet to 10" thick in about, oh, 10 seconds. Of course the billet was
> at 2300 degrees at the time and the pressure was right at 5000 psi but
> it was still one heck of a hydraulic forging press.
>
> Oh, yeah, after the Big Squish, then they went and punched a hole in the
> donut with an auxiliary ram mounted on the side of the main one. Somehow
> I never got tired of watching that thing really: Squash, make flat!
>
> Not _the_ biggest press around, but adequate for the home workshop.
>
>


Posted by Steve Smith on November 7, 2006, 9:30 pm
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Sounds like a fun toy. If you make pattern welded steel with it, *don't*
bend over to watch when you squish the billet. Flux sometimes comes out
in a blob, orange hot.

Steve

GSG wrote:

> Hi gang,
> Time for a gloat here. I just traded my monster Johnson gas
> furnace for a pristine, 25ton,4 post shearing press! 7hp, 18x24 platen.
> it's not the best configuration for forging but I'll make due or tear
> it down and build it back as a c-frame design. I am more interested
> in working sheet material anyway.
>
>
>
> John Husvar wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> Pumps are not very expensive, they can be bought on industrial
>>> liquidations for not too much and will have a lot of horsepower and
>>> will likely be of exceptional quality. (of course you need to have 3
>>> phase, which I assume most of you do).
>>>
>>> You can buy hydraulic cylinders from a variety of sources, for example
>>> I am selling cylinders with 8" bore, and about 24" stroke right now, I
>>> have two. (shameless plug) They are from a military 50,000 lbs rough
>>> terrain forklift.
>>>
>>> Making a proper frame for a high power press is certainly a challenge
>>> as far as making it safe and sound is concerned.
>>> I would just look for a industrial A or H frame press at liquidations,
>>> again, they are not expensive and it is easier to buy something made
>>> than spend forever scrouging I beams and welding stuff and grinding
>>> off bad welds.
>>> Ergo
>>> http://www.winternitz.com/inventory/detail.asp?ID=20465
>>>
>>> 600 ton press in Chicago. (A little hard to believe this number, be
>>> careful)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Same here. Could be a typo? That's not much cylinder _or_ frame for
>> 600 tons, going by a guess at the size of the compressor next to it.
>>
>> I could ask if my old employer is ready to sell the old press: 20'
>> above the ground, 20' in the ground, 40" ram, would reduce a 40" x
>> 72" round billet to 10" thick in about, oh, 10 seconds. Of course the
>> billet was at 2300 degrees at the time and the pressure was right at
>> 5000 psi but it was still one heck of a hydraulic forging press.
>> Oh, yeah, after the Big Squish, then they went and punched a hole in
>> the donut with an auxiliary ram mounted on the side of the main one.
>> Somehow I never got tired of watching that thing really: Squash, make
>> flat!
>> Not _the_ biggest press around, but adequate for the home workshop.
>>
>>
>

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