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trip hammer questions theChas. 12-15-2006
Posted by theChas. on December 15, 2006, 6:38 am
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I'll be joining ARBANA in 2 weeks and I understand they have plans for alot
of shop tools one can construct.
But for now I am wondering what a good weight for the head of a foot
operated trip hammer would be? This is for hobbist use only and not for
heavy iron.
I am considering making such a foot operated hammer now, that in the future
can be modified to be powered like the Rusty Appalachian hammer with the
spring walking beam.
The ones (heads) I see on TV (Modern Masters) seem to be about 6 inches
square by 12-14 inches tall and look pretty heavy. I wouldn't want to end
up powering something that heavy.. I think 35 - 50 pounds would be ok for a
'Rusty' hammer. I plan to use the vertical slide / spring walking beam,
instead of the parallelogram hinge arrangement seen on trip hammers. This
would be easiest to modify to power.



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Posted by Charly the Bastard on December 15, 2006, 5:39 pm
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"theChas." wrote:

> I'll be joining ARBANA in 2 weeks and I understand they have plans for alot
> of shop tools one can construct.
> But for now I am wondering what a good weight for the head of a foot
> operated trip hammer would be? This is for hobbist use only and not for
> heavy iron.
> I am considering making such a foot operated hammer now, that in the future
> can be modified to be powered like the Rusty Appalachian hammer with the
> spring walking beam.
> The ones (heads) I see on TV (Modern Masters) seem to be about 6 inches
> square by 12-14 inches tall and look pretty heavy. I wouldn't want to end
> up powering something that heavy.. I think 35 - 50 pounds would be ok for a
> 'Rusty' hammer. I plan to use the vertical slide / spring walking beam,
> instead of the parallelogram hinge arrangement seen on trip hammers. This
> would be easiest to modify to power.
>
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> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Before I found my LG, I built a treadle hammer. It has a head that weioghs about
180 lbs, held up by a coil-over motorcycle shock that leaked all its oil out. I
set it up to swing out over the anvil in use. It sure makes things flat. It
shakes the whole building and the neighbor says he can feel the ground shake
when I use it. The head is a chunk of three inch thick plate welded to a length
of four inch pipe filled with lead and slung from a vertical support by spring
bars that I had fabbed at the local spring shop. The shock clamps to the upper
spring bar and rests on the vertical support, like an abbreviated independent
front end suspension. Linkage goes down from the lower spring bar to the pedal
that's hinged to the bottom of the vertical support. By moving the clamp along
the upper bar, I can adjust the rebound height from the coil spring on the
shock, and adjust the coil spring preload with the step adjuster that came with
it. The whole thing is bolted to the building frame with some really big U-bolts
I got off a Big Rig axle and sits on an oak block to keep it from driving itself
into the concrete floor. Converting it to power would entail making a crank and
connecting rod assembly and spinning it with an electric motor through some sort
of gear-down tranny. But... since I have the LG, it seems to be a lot of bother
to motorize it. It still gets used from time to time to straighten out
billets, and as a third hand clamp on the anvil. Hope this gives you some
ideas...

Charly




Posted by Steve Smith on December 15, 2006, 9:18 pm
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I've built both of Clay Spencer's hammer plans. One is a swing arm (head
/ arms / column form a parallelogram) that I built one of and the other
is an in-line head that I organized with some others and built either
six or eight of. The in-line type uses a piece of steel shafting for the
head and it runs in skate wheels, so it always moves straight up and down.

Clay's plans are excellent. All the detail you need, and not too much.
You can get them several places including Norm Larson
(larbooks@impulse.net).

Charly's approach sounds interesting, but I bet it has a pretty slow
repetition rate. On the other hand, you probably only need one whack.
A friend of mine attached a sledge hammer to the overhead beam with a
bunji cord. He said it worked pretty well.

Steve

theChas. wrote:

>I'll be joining ARBANA in 2 weeks and I understand they have plans for alot
>of shop tools one can construct.
>But for now I am wondering what a good weight for the head of a foot
>operated trip hammer would be? This is for hobbist use only and not for
>heavy iron.
>I am considering making such a foot operated hammer now, that in the future
>can be modified to be powered like the Rusty Appalachian hammer with the
>spring walking beam.
>The ones (heads) I see on TV (Modern Masters) seem to be about 6 inches
>square by 12-14 inches tall and look pretty heavy. I wouldn't want to end
>up powering something that heavy.. I think 35 - 50 pounds would be ok for a
>'Rusty' hammer. I plan to use the vertical slide / spring walking beam,
>instead of the parallelogram hinge arrangement seen on trip hammers. This
>would be easiest to modify to power.
>
>
>
>
>

Posted by Charly the Bastard on December 16, 2006, 11:06 am
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Steve Smith wrote:

> I've built both of Clay Spencer's hammer plans. One is a swing arm (head
> / arms / column form a parallelogram) that I built one of and the other
> is an in-line head that I organized with some others and built either
> six or eight of. The in-line type uses a piece of steel shafting for the
> head and it runs in skate wheels, so it always moves straight up and down.
>
> Clay's plans are excellent. All the detail you need, and not too much.
> You can get them several places including Norm Larson
> (larbooks@impulse.net).
>
> Charly's approach sounds interesting, but I bet it has a pretty slow
> repetition rate. On the other hand, you probably only need one whack.
> A friend of mine attached a sledge hammer to the overhead beam with a
> bunji cord. He said it worked pretty well.
>
> Steve
>

Actually, it rebounds pretty fast. I can get in about three strokes a second
average with my 'kickstarting' leg. It does have a fairly short stroke length,
about six inches,which helps the cyclic rate. The roller bearings help too, less
drag in the mechanism.

Charly



Posted by Steve Smith on December 16, 2006, 1:00 pm
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Charly the Bastard wrote:

>Steve Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>>I've built both of Clay Spencer's hammer plans. One is a swing arm (head
>>/ arms / column form a parallelogram) that I built one of and the other
>>is an in-line head that I organized with some others and built either
>>six or eight of. The in-line type uses a piece of steel shafting for the
>>head and it runs in skate wheels, so it always moves straight up and down.
>>
>>Clay's plans are excellent. All the detail you need, and not too much.
>>You can get them several places including Norm Larson
>>(larbooks@impulse.net).
>>
>>Charly's approach sounds interesting, but I bet it has a pretty slow
>>repetition rate. On the other hand, you probably only need one whack.
>>A friend of mine attached a sledge hammer to the overhead beam with a
>>bunji cord. He said it worked pretty well.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>
>
>Actually, it rebounds pretty fast. I can get in about three strokes a second
>average with my 'kickstarting' leg. It does have a fairly short stroke length,
>about six inches,which helps the cyclic rate. The roller bearings help too, less
>drag in the mechanism.
>
>Charly
>
>
Pretty "impressive" Charly. Roller bearings make a lot of sense.

Steve


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